I know I may sound as total nob but is maxed weapon really maxed? I was hunting recently with my soc mate with handguns. We both were using the same guns for which we both have all stats maxed. My friend is far more experienced player than I am (few k in HG more than I have) and I noticed that with this same gun he is hunting more effectively. He was killing faster than me and he had more critical hits. So is that possible to use weapon more effectively even if you have maxed it some time ago?

seems that way to me. i can go out with an opalo and get almost consistant 7 to 8 points per hit every shot. my friend who has less than me in rifle seems to average much lower.

Heh, so using laser sight with maxed weapon isn't bad idea after all.

<--- Is too poor to have a laser sight or scope or anything but I thought it was good to use them on any gun at all because they increased the maximum also? Or am i incorrect in my assumption?

The reason he is killing faster than you is his dmg profession is higher than yours. That is also why he crits more. A laser site or a scope is not going to help you or anyone else on a maxed weapon. Once you have maxed the Hit Ability there is nothing that is going to increase it. Remember 10/10 only means you will hit 80% of the time. Now even though you both show max dmg in the stats whoever has the higher dmg profession will do closer to max dmg every time and this is why he kills faster than you do.

BTW I know of a study that was done on effectiveness of scopes and laser sites. It was proven without a doubt that laser sites and scopes do NOTHING but decay. They in no way shape or form increase dmg or hit ability.

All test up untill now (which are quite a few) showed that a max weapon is realy maxed, no matter how high your skills are. There hasnt been a single test with a different result, so my guess is that you are experiencing lag or something. I have experienced the same as you do, with exception that the person doing most damage was less skilled.

Quote:BTW I know of a study that was done on effectiveness of scopes and laser sites. It was proven without a doubt that laser sites and scopes do NOTHING but decay. They in no way shape or form increase dmg or hit ability.

Which test is this? Is there any data available?

Witte Wrote:All test up untill now (which are quite a few) showed that a max weapon is realy maxed, no matter how high your skills are. There hasnt been a single test with a different result, so my guess is that you are experiencing lag or something. I have experienced the same as you do, with exception that the person doing most damage was less skilled.

I doubt that but I'll take a try next time we hunt together. I do have poor connection (32 KB/s) but my upload (i think upload is more important while shooting isn't it?) is very high (up to 2000 KB/s, I know thats odd but it's true).

Moreover, it wasn't little difference in speed of killing. He was always done with his mob few seconds before me. And also I've noticed that he has more often crits but tihs may be lag issue, I haven't ask him to compare frequency of crit hits.

Kaiser Wrote:The reason he is killing faster than you is his dmg profession is higher than yours. that is also why he crits more. A laser site or a scope is not going to help you or anyone else on a maxed weapon. Once you have maxed the Hit Ability there is nothing that is going to increase it. Remember 10/10 only means you will hit 80% of the time. Now even though you both show max dmg in the stats whoever has the higher dmg profession will do closer to max dmg every time and this is why he kills faster than you do.

BTW I know of a study that was done on effectiveness of scopes and laser sites. It was proven without a doubt that laser sites and scopes do NOTHING but decay. They in no way shape or form increase dmg or hit ability.

I've always wondered this. People have told me you hit more, you do more high damage shots, etc. etc. The one I found most strange is that people said you gain skills faster when you are using scope and sights. Oh well, if they do nothing there is no way I'm buying one. MA's ambiguity on the subject is a little too suspect for me.

I would expect even if a weapon is maxed, that the hidden skills would have some impact.
Otherwise what would be the use of those.
E.g. Kill Strike could increase the CHA a little bit (and marksmanship could impact the HA).

Kaiser just a couple questions on what you said, do you hunt without a scope or sight? If so is that the reason, or if you do then why? Id really like to know if that test is accurate or not because i have seen alot of people who hunt w/out them in screenshots and i thought it was weird but that would explain why.

As to the weapon as kaiser said it is his dmg prof.

VanBuren Wrote:I doubt that but I'll take a try next time we hunt together. I do have poor connection (32 KB/s) but my upload (i think upload is more important while shooting isn't it?) is very high (up to 2000 KB/s, I know thats odd but it's true).

Moreover, it wasn't little difference in speed of killing. He was always done with his mob few seconds before me. And also I've noticed that he has more often crits but tihs may be lag issue, I haven't ask him to compare frequency of crit hits.

If you are realy sure about it, it might be a good idea to do a real test. Untill then it will never be more then just another experience (among a couple thousand ) So, time to get a pen and paper, and write down 100 or maybe even 1000 hits or something, and see if its a non uniform distribution. But like I said, I havnt seen any test that didnt show a non uniform distribution, but its never bad to test it again. For some more information I can point you to a proper test: http://www.entropiaforum.com/forums/show...hp?t=18347 Another good test that also shows an uniform distribution is not reachable atm Im affraid.

Anyhow, thats just about damage. My guess is that your connection isnt too good, and you either miss more often, or have more delay between shots. Bad connection has proven to make quite a big difference, so untill a test proofs otherwise, that would be the most probable explanation.

If you decide to do a test, good luck with it, I hope this helps a bit.

Well. I can do this test but I doubt I'll find anyoone with enough free time to write down dmg and miss shots (one person isn't enough).

VanBuren Wrote:Well. I can do this test but I doubt I'll find anyoone with enough free time to write down dmg and miss shots (one person isn't enough).

An easy way to do this is to go to a place with low spawn, and just write all the data after you killed the mob. You can take your time for it then . I think 100 datapoints should give a pretty good impression already.

I personally have noticed a large correlation between scoped and non scoped use of just a simple abrer on my weapons I use for drawing. I highly doubt that it would be possible for the scope to make me hit that much more from the 1.5% or whatever it gives. What I do is I zoom in on a mob I'm trying to draw and then shoot dead center and I noticed I miss less, especially if the target is walking along.

Witte Wrote:An easy way to do this is to go to a place with low spawn, and just write all the data after you killed the mob. You can take your time for it then . I think 100 datapoints should give a pretty good impression already.

I can do this one weekend. Any one with few k in HG would like to do similar thing? I can't do this alone!