Have anyone of you noticed (for instance in 'new items' HoF) that low TT skill implants are now lootable? Don't you think that this is made just to lower price of skill implants which are sold on auction?

Other thing, I've noticed some time ago following news http://www.runescape.com (MMORPG written in java):

"What's happening is more complex than it first seems. What's actually going on is that the VAST majority of the level-3 characters you see playing the game repetitively and not talking to anyone, are actually people from countries such as China and Korea, who are trying to collect RuneScape gold to sell for real world money (obviously against the rules). Some of them aren't even using bots, they are just playing the game very repetitively with a single-minded purpose to collect gold. These people have no interest in playing the game properly, and therefore don't care if they get banned. The final effect is the same, though – it spoils the game for everyone else."

I do not have anything against people from china but do you think that MA has secured in anyway from people who are (for instance) skilling up and then selling skills just to withdraw the money? Don't you think that dropping price of skill implants is some kind of insurance against withdrawing money by that kind of players?

low TT skill implants were already lootable before the china deal was announced.

and generally it is a market mechanism. The value of skills will drop, but as far as MA concerns, they will not give you a pec for it anyway (apart from the TT value of the implant)

Btw: you could also sweat all day, sell the sweat and withdraw the money.

Almost all skillgains in EU require you to operate an item, which cost money. The cost to gain the skill is higher then the value of the skill. The skillgain that are free, like sweating or gaining evade without fap or armor, are very slow to obtain. I dont think we will see any major problems.

Yeah, and sweating is a skill that (at the moment) is not useful at all.
Independent of your sweating skills your chance of obtaining sweat remains the same as well as the amount.

The only other 2 skills that are free to get (although slow) are evade and dodge.

(having said that, I must say at some point in time I played with the idea to use autorun during a coffee break to gain some evade from the mobs I bump in, but typically at a server border you stop (maybe even on purpose).

I think were definitely going to see an increase in the number of non depositors who play the game long term to try and make money... and overall i wouldnt be suprised if this move forced the price of sweat as low as .2 or .1

But here's the beauty (and hideousness) of the EU economy: 80%-90% of the money in-game is that deposited by real players. And even the money gotten by TT'ing loot is arguably provided in some way by us.

Therefore, ten thousand non-depositors dropping into the game at once will only serve to dilute the PED/player ratio. The price of items will stay largely the same, as only those players who have PED can buy them. In the meantime, as Addz said, the number of people hawking sweat soars through the roof, and the price plummets.

The only real danger to this happening is that during the initial phase of this "glut", people will still be giving money to the non-depo's for their sweat. If they all, then, cash out this money immediately, the amount of player-supplied PEDs in the game will temporarily undergo a shortage. In this case, fewer players will be able to afford buying items from others. It may even come to a point where players have to sell loot to TT just to make enough PEDs for repairs and/or ammo.

But even if this worst-case-scenario were to occur, the economy would re-establish itself in relatively short order; people will stop buying sweat altogether, or at ridiculously low prices, the non-depo's will not be able to farm enough sweat in a month to cover their real-life groceries for a day, and they'll move on to greener pastures (ie, some other MMO).

It would take some time for the economy to recover to what it is NOW, but the laws of economics say that, in a LIVING economy (as EU's is), it should all eventually balance out.

Worst-comes-to-worst, MA will put back in the skill-cap on sweat-farming, and the glut will be stymied (in my opinion).

SweatMiner
"Can't I just put salt and stuff into water, and PRETEND it's sweat?"

I dont believe the sweat market can have any major impact on the EU economy at all. Whether its free or is 100PED/bottle. People are not going to use their TP chip for no apperent reason, just because sweat is cheap. And they also wont be using their TP chip when sweat is too expensive.

Besides, when the sweat price goes down, the force nexus prices goes up, in case the ME demand is the same.

Sweat isn't only used as energy source for TP chips. There are also healing, reviving, nerveblast and firestorm chips in use. There is nothing bad in being non-depositor but as mentioned before, with lots of withdrawing only players there will be not enough cash in the system.

As now I see few possibilities:
a)MA has idea how to prevent mass PED withdraws
b)sweating or other ways of earning free PEDs won't be sufficient enough for 'withdrawers'
c)they will find they place in food chain and not affect EU economy in long term badly
d)we won't see any difference

Only time can show us what will happen. I just hope that situation from Runescape won't take place in EU.

All,

This is just a matter of simple economy.
If there is a way (with sweating, skill gaining or whatever) that allows people to make free money, the price of the sweat (or skills) will decrease and the market will stabilise again. Nothing spectactular.
This does not harm in any way: if there is too much sweat the price will drop (until 0.1 or maybe even 0.01) pushing off sweaters and encouraging usage. Economy 101. Law of supply & demand.

Ditto for skills. If there is a widely known way to gain skills and sell them at a profit the price of the filled skill implants will go down until the market is at equilibrium again.

The idea of a mass PED earning is just wrong. You cannot "create" TT value and gain from the TT. If you have to gain from other players the market mechanism will take care of that.

Dutchie.

VanBuren Wrote:Sweat isn't only used as energy source for TP chips. There are also healing, reviving, nerveblast and firestorm chips in use. There is nothing bad in being non-depositor but as mentioned before, with lots of withdrawing only players there will be not enough cash in the system.

As now I see few possibilities:
a)MA has idea how to prevent mass PED withdraws
b)sweating or other ways of earning free PEDs won't be sufficient enough for 'withdrawers'
c)they will find they place in food chain and not affect EU economy in long term badly
d)we won't see any difference

Only time can show us what will happen. I just hope that situation from Runescape won't take place in EU.

As it is now, MF is only usefull for TPing. All other areas its just not efficient, even when ME would be TTvalue. Or the chips are rare.

I think ME is less then 1% of peoples expenses on avarage. When that 1% is being withdrawn, we wont notice it. So imo option D is the correct one .

I think the new area was made as gigantic as it was to increase the use of ME. Anyway, I am not in fear of the chinese. They can come in and TRY to skill farm all they want, it is just not going to work. Let them sweat their asses off, I am more than happy to see themselves shoot each other in the foot by flooding the market.